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to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more gun laws while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution for reducing crime. proposals that only serve to burden the law-abiding will fail again in the future. >> only a couple of times did wane la pierre get into it with a member of the committee. over the hours, it was a reasonable back and forth. it was not the fireworks that some people might have expected. while he opposes the universal background checks, he came with an argument to make saying over and over again, there not prosecutions of laws that are on the books, trying to put the pressure back on the justice departm
to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more...
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she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom. >> lapierre has released the statement he plans to deliver today. unsurprising will he, he will denounce a proposed assault weapons ban. somewhat more surprisingly, he will come out aggressively against the background checks bill which a lot of folks thought the nra would quietly not fight too hard. he'll say this "law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranges. criminals, have been around for over 100 years. background checks will never be universal because criminals will never submit to them." giffords and kelly will appear on the panel several weeks afte
she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom....
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giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals. and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> one more thing i want you to see. following this morning's testimony, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with president obama in the oval office. so david corn, i show you all that and i ask how can the momentum to the extent that momentum exists right now on the president and the white house side, how can it be maintained? how do you maintain that level of emotional testimony? >> well, it was quite an emotional moment watching gabby giffords get up there courageously an
giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not...
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also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun owner couldn't control her we
also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun...
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. >> jimmy, the senate hearing witness list, folks from both sides, pro safety, mark kelly, james johnson, a chief of police in baltimore and chairman of the national law enforcement partnership. those on the other side, wayne lapierre, nicholas johnson and gayle trotter but as i understand it, you heard there's some concern that there's a slant to those witnesses that they're more gun advocates than those who want to see some safety legislation put in place. >> well, that's right. i think that you have a more than handful senate democrats and not liberals, per se, pretty upset about the fact that chairman leahy of vermont who's the chairman stacked the witness list against those or in favor if you will of those who are against gun control and so i know that today senator dianne feinste feinstein, second on the judiciary committee and has assurance to have another hearing without a witness list that will be stacked or stacked the other way, if you will. i mean, and so i think that you have members -- if you look at the dias, you have senators of big snams, new york, california, illinois,
. >> jimmy, the senate hearing witness list, folks from both sides, pro safety, mark kelly, james johnson, a chief of police in baltimore and chairman of the national law enforcement partnership. those on the other side, wayne lapierre, nicholas johnson and gayle trotter but as i understand it, you heard there's some concern that there's a slant to those witnesses that they're more gun advocates than those who want to see some safety legislation put in place. >> well, that's right....
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also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun owner couldn't control her weapons, and those weapons were eventually used to kill her and to kill all of those children and those women educators in that school. so that is what one law abiding gun owner got us. >> that is a good point, lawrence. >> and that is what neil heslin was saying in his testimony, was that that woman should never have had those weapons in that home with -- you know, knowing the condition of her kid. and so the -- the ways in which wayne lapierre tries to shatter off the debate have more holes in them than he realizes when he is trying to advance this kind of te
also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun...
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mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that need to be done and in my opinion and in gabby's opinion, this is one of the most important things we must do to prevent criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill from having easy access to guns. closing the gun show loophole and requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i mean, for us, i can't think of something that would make our country safer than doing just that. >> thank you. >> and mr. lapierre, in 1999 you testified by the house judiciary committee and you testified quote, nobody is more committed than we are to keeping guns out of criminals hands
mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that...
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kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> while wayne lapierre struck a posture less combative than previous press conferences, his views remain questionable, calling for an immediate blanket of security at schools, lapierre dismissed universal background checks, saying criminals would never submit to them. chairman leahy pressed lapierre on background checks and whether and how the nra head had changed his mind on closing gun show loopholes. >> should we have mandatory bac
kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this...
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following this morning's testimony, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with president obama in the oval office. so david corn, i show you all that and i ask how can the momentum to the extent that momentum exists right now on the president and the white house side, how can it be maintained? how do you maintain that level of emotional testimony? >> well, it was quite an emotional moment watching gabby giffords get up there courageously and her husband who i've met in the past i have to say is damn impressive. he was a hero for going up in the space shuttle and now he's a hero for taking on this hard issue and doing it with such great aplomb. it's important, keep him and gabby giffords and the kids in newtown, keep them in the spotlight. let them have the platform they want. the only way anything happens on the gun violence prevention front is if the intensity level remains on the side of people looking to change the status quo. you know, you know on the side of the nra and extremists on that side, there is already the intensity. it's always been there. they care about this. it's often th
following this morning's testimony, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with president obama in the oval office. so david corn, i show you all that and i ask how can the momentum to the extent that momentum exists right now on the president and the white house side, how can it be maintained? how do you maintain that level of emotional testimony? >> well, it was quite an emotional moment watching gabby giffords get up there courageously and her husband who i've met in the past i have to say...
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mark kelly is in "the situation room." come on in, mark. we're going to talk about what happened today and where you stand on all of this right after this commercial break. ...tax time can ofbe...well...taxing. so right now we'll give you... ...$10 off any turbo tax deluxe level software or higher! find thousands of big deals now... ...at officemax. delicious. but say i press a few out flat... add some beef sloppy joe sauce... and cheese fold it all up and boom! i just made an unbeatable unsloppy joe pillsbury grands biscuits. let the making begin. until i got a job in the big apple. becoming a fulltime indoor cat wasn't easy for atti. but he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everything he needed to stay healthy indoors. and after a couple of weeks, i knew we were finally home! [ female announcer ] purina cat chow indoor. and for a delicious way to help maintain a healthy weight, try new purina cat chow healthy weight. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yea
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mark kelly's testimony was very, very powerful about how he and gabrielle giffords are gun owners and believe in the importance of guns and owning guns. what i find most frustrating of the testimony from mr. lapierre and others is, there is no solution they appear willing to accept, unless it is guaranteed to stop every single incident of gun violence, and, of course, that's just not going to ever happen. but his argument about background checks and that conversation with senator durbin, for example, criminals won't go through background checks, so, therefore, we can't get rid of the background check loophole. then why do we have background checks at all? is that what the nra is arguing for? it's just very frustrating, because this is a terrible phrase, there is no silver bullet when it comes to gun violence, but there are a bunch of reasonable, rational steps, and the first two i would point to are expanding background checks and dealing with the magazine questions so the 9-year-old girl might still be alive. >> and ruth and chris, the other argument that wayne lapierre made from the
mark kelly's testimony was very, very powerful about how he and gabrielle giffords are gun owners and believe in the importance of guns and owning guns. what i find most frustrating of the testimony from mr. lapierre and others is, there is no solution they appear willing to accept, unless it is guaranteed to stop every single incident of gun violence, and, of course, that's just not going to ever happen. but his argument about background checks and that conversation with senator durbin, for...
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mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. allergic reactions such as shortness of breath or swelling of you
mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ]...
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. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. >> you missed the point completely. and i think it is basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> let there be order. >> i think you're missing it. >> let there be more. >> if chairman patrick leahy pressed lapierre. >> if you're a dealer, that is already the law. >> please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could just answer the question. >> rights demand responsibility. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame. >> americans are looking to us for solutions and for action. >> this time must be different. >> the senate judiciary committee toda
. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go...
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giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national rifle association chair, wayne lapierre, came out aggressively against background checks, arguing that the legislation which has the best chance in congress will do nothing to stem gun violence. >> my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> we'll stop them from the original purchase. you miss that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> and lapierre tried to turn the debate back on the administration. >> drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, and felons with guns. they're simply not bei ining enforced. the numbers are shocking. in chicago, in one of the worst areas in the country for g
giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national rifle association chair, wayne lapierre, came out aggressively against background checks, arguing that the...
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you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun violence. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they are god given freedoms. they belong to us in the united states of america as our birth right. no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. >> i defended the second amendment flying in combat over iraq in kuwait, you know, defending our country. i own a gun. this really isn't about the second amendment. >> reporter: these will be the star witnesses at congresses' first hearing since the shooting in newtown. mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was
you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun...
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but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way down the aisle into the hearing room to deliver a short statement to the senators and the assembled media and the audience. this was a surprise today. it was clear that this was not something that was easy for her to do. >> okay. thank you for inviting me here today. this is an important conversation for our children, for our communities, for democrats and republicans. speaking is difficult, but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. it will be hard, but the time is now. you must act. be bold, be courageou
but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way...
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her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men instead of talking about the facts. the gun lobby will do anything to keep all guns free from restrictions. fewer restrictions means more sales, which means more money for gunmakers and manufacturers and guys like wayne lapierre. >> if you try to do this universal background check, which sounds whatever, it ends up being a universal federal nightmare imposed upon law-abiding people all over this country. criminals will ignore it. so what is the point of the whole thing? >> this is lapierre's newest argument. a universal background check won't do anything, h
her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men...
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see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of weapons? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. if you're -- >> that's not my question. please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not because the fact is the law now is a failure the way it is working. >> joe johns, let me bring you in here for me in washington. we have been
see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of...
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gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-oldh adia pendleton of chicago who was fate ideally shot in what may have been a gang turf war. after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival, it all happened since then, we learned in 2008 she was featured in a video speaking out against gun violence. here is part of that video. >> so many children are fearing gangs and it's your job as students to say no to gangs and yes to a great future. [ man ] v
gabby giffords, husband mark kelly. >> and that's the difference other victims are now speaking up, and to see gaggy yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. jifs going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american...
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>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of threats? >> my son has the same name as i have and he has a facebook page, and somebody said that she should be killed. and he and my daughter responded -- i'm not a technical guy, so i'm not the guy to do this, and said that, actually, i'm not him, i'm his son, but both my sister and i agree that he's not that bad a guy and you probably shouldn't kill him. and they came back and said, well, since we know you're his children, we ought to kill you since he knows what it will feel like. >> i assume you've notified local police? >> we turn that stuff over, but what that's an example of not that somebody's going to kill me, because that's probab
>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of...
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. >>> and mark kelly is retiring and helped to protect five presidents. he has been secret reservice director for ten years. his resignation comes after a scandal involving agents and prostitutes in colombia ahead of a visit by president obama. >>> a new bell rang out on wall street. the dow rose topping more than 14,000 for the first time since 2007. all three major ind dexs we -- indexes on the nasdaq. google hit an all-time of $156. and they were positive on jobs and manufacturing, and the unemployment rate notched up to 7.9%, but longer term job growth show shows a positive trend. we are just learning that country music star loretta lynn had a narrow escape from severe storms that hit thursday. her ranch suffered wind and water damage and her son says that at one point the singer had to take cover in a closet. hundreds of trees were toppled and damage is estimated at more than $100,000. so we are quite happy to report that loretta lynn is okay though, wolf. >> i am happy to hear that, and so are the viewers. lisa, thank you. >>> sheriffs vowing to quo
. >>> and mark kelly is retiring and helped to protect five presidents. he has been secret reservice director for ten years. his resignation comes after a scandal involving agents and prostitutes in colombia ahead of a visit by president obama. >>> a new bell rang out on wall street. the dow rose topping more than 14,000 for the first time since 2007. all three major ind dexs we -- indexes on the nasdaq. google hit an all-time of $156. and they were positive on jobs and...